Do you have any experience with CNC? If not new makes more sense.

I am not sure how those manufacturers support used machines. I am sure they will fix it for a fee but you will have lots of questions if you have no experience.

After having used a Thermwood CS43 512 for the last 5 years, I can tell you that it has been a real joy to use and a stellar machine as far as parts and service go. They are made in Indiana, USA. The model 45 is a 5 axis, do you need 5 axis? The 43 does all the cabinet stuff, and with the right software, does signwork, rotary and relief. I would also endorse new over used if you are not a CNC veteran. The CS 43 is a workhorse and has been trouble free in our shop since we bought it. You wont be able to keep that budget with a new machine in any size greater than a sheet of plywood, but as the saying goes: you get what you pay for.

I started with this machine totally green, and the service was fantastic. I'm sure a new one would blow your budget but take a good look at what you do and what you 'would' do with a capable machine, and endeavor to buy it only once. You'll be happier that way :)

We were looking new last summer but it was more supply induced demand thinking than actual product demand. I certainly see the value in new, just out of reach and it looks like more auctions are popping up with late model cncs. I suppose I’d rather struggle through with technology initially than struggle with payments or worse call the auctioneer in a few months.

I would go with the Anderson hands down. We have a CabMaxx and an Exxact, both are very strong. Anderson support when needed has been top notch. We have had Biesse, Komo, Northwood and Thermwood. Biesse might be the fastest, Northwood the slowest and Thermwood the weirdest. Whatever you do get a machine with a Fanuc controller and make your life easier.

Tim cost certainly has to be taken into account.

2004-2008 is getting on the old side. In my building it would be time to sell. A rebuilt spindle is $10K. If its PC it will have an XP computer, that can be an expensive replacement meaning not $500 but a few thousand once you get help loading the software. If the linear bearings, ball screws and/or drive racks are worn the whole thing becomes sloppy and not in a predictable way.

I would not buy one unless you see it run. If you can bring a CNC technician with you to see it that would be better. Creating a test part drawing you can measure would be helpful. If you have an 8" or 12" digital caliper make a drawing of a 8"-12" square with 8mm holes drilled 1"+4mm from the edge all around. Ask the owner to cut you a sample part from MDF and measure it. It won't be perfect but how imperfect is it?

Then there is the question of software. Used may come with software. Most machines have some kind of software you can make one off parts. That is something to consider.

I have not shopped for new machines in this price range but there are smaller machines that might be a better choice. You can get your feet wet see what these machines are capable of adjust from there.

We kept the machines we used to use pre CNC for a while. After they collect dust for a year you end up selling them and become dependent on the CNC. Then the reliability of the CNC becomes paramount. An older machine tends to be less reliable.

Finally what type and quality of service is available near you? Depending on how handy and computer literate you are you might need some help refurbishing or keeping the machine running,

Off the top of my head if I was considering what you are doing these are the things I would be considering. As many have said I wish I had bought A CNC machine sooner. The amount of work it can do is amazing. Mine paid for itself in less than a year.

Good luck with your decision.

Tim,

I've owned a Thermwood CS45 5x10 for 12 years. I cut cabinet parts and other wood parts for small cabinet shops. That's my business. I have no experience with other CNC brands. The model 45 is a 3 axis machine with ball screws on all axis. It's heavy and rigid. It cuts accurate parts. If I needed another machine, I would certainly buy another Thermwood. No question.

I'm not sure why Brian thinks the Thermwood is weird but the Thermwood users I know don't think they are weird.

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Look for used, low time. We bought our router for less than half of the $120k new replacement cost. It had 243 hours of run time on it. That's pretty much new. It cost me $6k to move it across the state. I paid $1200 for a tech to start it up, and check everything over.

The deals are out there. It does require some patience, and having the ability to pound on that opportunity when it pops up.

The three brands that were on my list were Biesse, Anderson/Giben, and Weeke. We ended up with one of those. It wasn't my first choice in machines, but I'm glad we got the machine we did rather than the other two.

Got to have something in the office to drive it. Make sure it’s compatible

Stay away from a Siemens controller on the sellex and call Anderson with the serial number and ask about support.

As a matter of fact call on all manufacturers on all serial numbers or model numbers if you can

It’s a buyers market right now and you are in control Don’t make choice without research.

Don’t forget the office software, dust collection, electric and material logistics in and around the machine