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Chinese CNC routers??
1/11/18
Question about cnc machines from China? Boo Hun CNC Solutions
Anyone have experience with this company ??
1/12/18 #2: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Jim.....my 2ct !!
Any company where you try to Google it and nothing come out...Humm !?!..Question it !!
2 ; Nothing for nor against asian prod or company, truly, but!!!, excuse my lack of knowing Cantonese (Asian language ) but also, aside of these guys not being on the web, being called ....Boo....in this "world" where english dominates......mean again here....allot !...;0))
So, I'd stick to what is ALLOT know, and trust not me, the "CNC world, there ZILLION asian CNC fab out there you can truly find secure, trustworthy W/ valid credentials....
All the best !!
1/17/18 #3: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
There not bad,,,standard nema,, if you can read a standard electrical schematic your golden,,,drives are German ,and parts are easy to get,,,,
1/17/18 #4: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
There are a lot of questions to consider when buying a CNC machine. You're not just buying the machine but the company it's attached to. Are you going to be relying on their customer support when parts break or need to be replaced or do you have your own technician who knows that particular machine? How easy is it to get spare parts in the area of the country you are in? Does this particular CNC machine have all the options you need and want or are you paying for extra?
The cheapest machine is the right machine. If you spend $100k on a CNC machine and three years down the road it doesn't have what you need you either lose money buying another machine or lose money on bids you can't win because you have to outsource parts. If you save $30k on a cheaper made machine but it breaks down, do you have a back up? If not you are not just losing money on the parts and labor to fix it but the down time your company suffers from this one machine going down. Also, if it is cheap it might only be accurate for 3-5 years or less meaning you're losing money on material that you can't use plus the quality of your product goes down which might lose you bids.
My suggestion is to spend a little bit more money up front and really look at how the machine is built. 10-15% difference in price you should probably go with the more expensive machine. Remember, this machine is going to make you money so you will probably be able to afford a lease but once it's in place and once you rely on it to make more money, you will lose more money if it goes down. Don't go cheap on a tool that is necessary.
Think about all of this before you go straight to the cheapest because the cheapest might be the most expensive down the line.
1/18/18 #5: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
I completely disagree, most Cnc routers are the same layout, Servo, drives, and 3 axis ,,,why blow 85k-150k on a machine if the customer can buy say a Laguna/Techno at half the cost,,40k,,,if the customer does even more research and buys a no name “Chinese” model,,they will soon learn ,,6.5k will get them ,,a machine with similar frame ,,solid travel rails,,ball screw ,,with mach3 or syntec controllers,,
Chevy - just my 2 cents
Stiles electrical certified
Stiles install and pneumatic sertified
Former Biesse cam/cad trainer
1/18/18 #6: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Zack is 100% correct if you want 0 headaches,,,,but if your a mechanic type,,,then my way may be better,,
1/18/18 #7: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Chevy-
You're correct if you or one of your employees is a technician then maybe a cheaper machine will work for you. But you, being certified, should know that a good technician is few and far between. They are almost gold if you can find a really good one, especially one that will know exactly how an off brand machine works.
What I'm saying is to take a close look at the machine and not just buy on price. Small differences here and there can make a huge impact on the life of a machine as well as how hard it is to get replacement parts and technical help if there is something you or your technician can't figure out.
That's what they do in China, they take a machine, dissect it, then try to copy it with cheaper components. Just because you can save money to buy and extra option you may or may not need is not the way to buy a machine. Buy exactly what you need and look closely at how its built. Small parts do make a difference.
My suggestion is to go to IWF in Atlanta and see them in person. You can look through a lot of brands and see the exact difference between a well built and cheaper machine. It's well worth the money to make the trip if you're going to spend thousands of dollars on a machine.
If a cheap machine is exactly the same as a more expensive machine, why do people buy the more expensive machines? Why have you heard great reviews of more expensive companies but nothing on this company from China? If it's too good to be true it probably is.
1/18/18 #8: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Not sure if this is relevant or not but:
Many years ago a lot of tier one automotive suppliers started to buy tooling from China. It put a lot of tool and die shops out of business.
Except for the ones that figured out how to fix the die sets from China that didn't work....
I'm a big proponent of used heavy iron for CNC's, and I guess the same thing applies - if you're not going to invest $100K in a new brand name, you better know how to work on what you do get.
1/18/18 #9: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Robert,
If you want search things made in China use Alibaba search engine.
Like all machines you would need referrals. With these you need tech to install and figure out support before you buy.
I like being able to call North Carolina and get parts the next day or a tech, there is a cost to that.
I would rather spend time selling and making work than making sure there is support for a machine.
Its risk reward calculation, there are some very attractive machines there, get the shipping and customs costs, the duties if any, the shipping insurance, the freight to your shop, riggers and a tech cost to setup.
Then look at the support cost for repairs, parts. If all the parts are off the shelf available in the US that would make it simpler.
Lots of research.
Could need U/L for a local code authority.
Alibaba wood cnc machines
1/18/18 #10: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
I'm no fan of buying on Alibaba. Be very careful about shipping costs and import duties. You'll need someone or service to handle getting the machine out of the port in the USA. There are American resellers that have the machines in stock. Parts availability would be the best question before buying.
1/19/18 #11: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Here's another reason to buy from a reputable company...
Last weekend I was driving through central Indiana in a snow/ice storm and I passed a pickup pulling a flatbed trailer. On the trailer was 3 4x8 flat table CNC routers completely uncovered. Couldn't see the brand name but defiantly not any recognizable color schemes or labels. These poor machines were covered in snow/ice and salt..
Any decent company would have had proper transportation for there equipment.
1/21/18 #12: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
hi
im in this business for 5 years(after 5 years with biesse)
after many modification ,i have one brand that make the machine according to my requirement
and main point the control system is not chines its Genesis(from Italy ,same as busellato,Felder..)
so i got 95 % of Europa cnc in chines price
if you want more details send me mail
katzyaakov66@gmail.com
1/21/18 #13: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Hen Bob said
"Here's another reason to buy from a reputable company...
Last weekend I was driving through central Indiana in a snow/ice storm and I passed a pickup pulling a flatbed trailer. On the trailer was 3 4x8 flat table CNC routers completely uncovered. Couldn't see the brand name but defiantly not any recognizable color schemes or labels. These poor machines were covered in snow/ice and salt..
Any decent company would have had proper transportation for there equipment."
Are you sure they were Chinese routers or could they have been one of the off brands that is made here.
1/21/18 #14: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
As I stated I'm not sure of the make or where they came from, my point was that if you are spending any decent sum of money on a peice of equipment it's not always the best option to go the cheap route as the other guys have said.
1/22/18 #15: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Again are you sure these were not high end units that some company bought and had a shipper moving them. When I worked in printing we had a brand new 1 million dollar press come in that was not tarped that we refused do to rust and rain damaged control panel. It was made in New Hampshire.
1/22/18 #16: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
I would say they were light duty machines, no idea of the quality of the units. I was driving past them in a storm. But as you just stated, hopefully wherever they ended up the customer refused them.
1/26/18 #17: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Website: http://www.dwd-cnc.com
In my opinion, it is better for you to ask those customer who has bought from this company, ask their opinions about this machine. And i think you can get their old customer from facebook or youtube. Second it is better to choose one slaes person who is expert in their machines, so you can get best service.
12/6/20 #18: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Hello Jim,
Have you bought the right machine for you now? Do you want a Chinese CNC router machine? In my opinion, you can compare several engraving machine manufacturers. I know a Chinese manufacturer specializing in engraving machines. If you are interested, you can go to their official website to check: https://forsuncnc.com/
9/14/22 #19: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
Website: http://www.3qmachining.com/
Needs to collect more information such as prices, machine information, timing, after-services, then compare with 3-5 suppliers to make your purchasing decision.
9/16/22 #20: Chinese CNC routers?? ...
There are a number of reputable CNC manufacturers in China selling competitive, stable machines. Blue Elephant comes to mind. Also PMSK and Tiger Tec. All three have been around a good while and stand by their products. Make sure whoever you buy from does indeed offer relatively quick (and hopefully free) technical support. Elephant is excellent at this. Yes, the experience can be frustrating with language difficulties and time zone differences, but there is NOTHING that can't be done with some Asian machines if you invest the time familiarizing yourself with these machines. My first two machines were from Germany and the US.................I experienced very similar frustration with both. There is a learning curve, and DON'T forget that conquering mastery of the CADCAM software you choose is a very big, and separate, part of using these things.
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