Question
I've been working full time in my 16x24 garage for the past year. After building a full kitchen in it I need to move to a larger space. Here's my situation. I have jobs lined up for the next 6 months if I build them all myself. I want to grow my business and I think I have enough in the pipeline to do it.
A friend is currently sharing a shop in downtown Toronto with his mentor. The mentor is leaving and taking all the tools with him. I have a pretty nice collection of tools - cabinet saw, planer, jointer, bandsaw and drill press. The friend has asked me if I want to share the space with him.
I'm short on cash at the moment - mostly because I can't get the jobs out the door fast enough. The rent is good and would be adjusted for my equipment. The terms are flexible. He is a stand up guy. But there are several strange clauses:
1) The mentor lived in an apartment that is accessible only through the shop - that will have to be rented out.
2) There are two "occasionals" who pay minimal rent to use the equipment on the weekends etc (a ex-cabinet shop PM and a sprayer).
So my concerns are insurance and my tools getting used by people who I don't know - is this a good strategy to grow the business? I have two more kitchen jobs before I get the space (I'm going to rent a storage locker nearby). Downtown shop space is currently pretty hard to come by.
Ultimately, the end goal for my business it a 6 man custom kitchen and architectural millwork shop. I know this place will not support that kind of manpower - I think I'd have to move out of the city to get enough space to do that cost effectively. My thinking is - focus on building relationships in the downtown area while I grow my book, then build/buy a space 1 hour out of the city, where labor/taxes/property is cheaper.
Forum Responses
(Business and Management Forum)
From contributor F:
I have thought about subletting shop space myself a couple of times. It seems most of those on this forum think it's a bad idea, and I value their advice. And it sounds like you will have three people potentially using your equipment, and another passing through daily. My feeling is this is a much better deal for everybody involved except you. If you do decide to go this route you should negotiate so that you pay little or no rent, as there is no shop without your equipment.
I was in a similar situation myself last year. I outgrew my last shop and worse my landlord asked me to leave for insurance reasons. I had been there for quite a few years and so they gave me a year to find a place and I just started looking to see what was available. Within about four months of looking I found a place via Craigslist which was not only several hundred square feet bigger, but also much more suited to being a shop. 10' ceilings, three phase power, etc and the rent was only about $100 more a month than my previous shop. The catch was my last shop was in the city and now I am 15-20 minutes outside the city.
The moral of the story - if you have the time, determination, and patience there is a lot of space out there, and you just might find something more suited to what you need and where you want to go with your business. My advice would be to start looking in places you would expect to find cheap space. Not necessarily in the papers but drive around "the wrong side of the tracks" and look for rent signs. Maybe drive around industrial areas a little ways outside the city. And definitely keep an eye on Craigslist for your area. Since you’re not in a rush to move, you have a very good chance of finding something.
All my machines other than my General Table saw and my 10' stroke sander are on casters and its surprising how I can make tons of room when moving stuff around. All I am saying is that if you can make due with the smaller space you will probably make more money for the time being!.
I once had envisioned a 4-6 man shop but now just want to stick to my self and possibly my brother. The two of us can pound out quite a bit and there aren’t all those extra expenses that go along with it. Also, with keeping the small shop my over head is next to nothing, heating and hydro is only $250 per month in the winter. And I purchase my lumber when I need it and don't stock pile. In the future when I start full time I am going to start buying doors and drawers and just building boxes and face frames.
